Comments on: Defining trashiness down http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/ By Dan Kennedy • The press, politics, technology, culture and other passions Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:09:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Anonymous http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25824 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:35:00 +0000 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/#comment-25824 Great point Dan. This viwew that Kamp has is not a liberal view or conservative. it is the view of those sheltered all their lives from the real world and raisedf t6o believe they are superior. I don't know much about Kamp but I suspect he came from a privledge background and went to school with others of privledge. He has felt superior all his life and is surprised that there are evry day people who feel emotions like he does. He does not have empathy for middle and lower class american's. This attitude is growing and it will contribute to the growing void between the haves and the have nots. Great point Dan. This viwew that Kamp has is not a liberal view or conservative. it is the view of those sheltered all their lives from the real world and raisedf t6o believe they are superior. I don’t know much about Kamp but I suspect he came from a privledge background and went to school with others of privledge. He has felt superior all his life and is surprised that there are evry day people who feel emotions like he does. He does not have empathy for middle and lower class american’s. This attitude is growing and it will contribute to the growing void between the haves and the have nots.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25813 Anonymous Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:22:00 +0000 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/#comment-25813 Class<br/>---------<br/>Maybe this country needs a wholesome debate on class in the country...as in class rivalry...class warfare...<br/><br/>Like when Eugene Debs and Andrew Carngie were polar oppositions..<br/><br/>The unnoticed 800 lb gorilla in the room of our marketplace of ideas...Say what you like about the Brits, but at least they recognize it...A honest reckoning can be forged from such recognition...A more honest society from such reckonings...<br/><br/>EmperorNortonII@yahoo.com Class
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Maybe this country needs a wholesome debate on class in the country…as in class rivalry…class warfare…

Like when Eugene Debs and Andrew Carngie were polar oppositions..

The unnoticed 800 lb gorilla in the room of our marketplace of ideas…Say what you like about the Brits, but at least they recognize it…A honest reckoning can be forged from such recognition…A more honest society from such reckonings…

EmperorNortonII@yahoo.com

]]> By: mike_b1 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25809 mike_b1 Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:25:00 +0000 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/#comment-25809 Wonder if Kamp realized that the White House has a bowling alley in the basement?<br/><br/>And btw, o-fish-I, Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and can charge as much as $150,000 for an appearance. I'm not sure what that says about the tradesmen you know, but that doesn't sound trashy (white or otherwise) to me. Wonder if Kamp realized that the White House has a bowling alley in the basement?

And btw, o-fish-I, Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and can charge as much as $150,000 for an appearance. I’m not sure what that says about the tradesmen you know, but that doesn’t sound trashy (white or otherwise) to me.

]]> By: tony schinella http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25808 tony schinella Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:09:00 +0000 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/#comment-25808 Great catch. When will some of the "high brow" class get the fact that we are all human beings and deserve respect as such? Like being a plumber - making what, $30 to $40 an hour? - is a bad thing? Like being in construction - with our relatively booming housing and building market - is a bad thing? Like being an applicance repairman - OK, not as goos in our throwaway culture - is a bad thing? Give me a break. Give me anyone of those guys when I need my pipes fixed, 'fridge fixed, or addition put in before some cocktail crowd putz any day of the week! Great catch. When will some of the “high brow” class get the fact that we are all human beings and deserve respect as such? Like being a plumber – making what, $30 to $40 an hour? – is a bad thing? Like being in construction – with our relatively booming housing and building market – is a bad thing? Like being an applicance repairman – OK, not as goos in our throwaway culture – is a bad thing? Give me a break. Give me anyone of those guys when I need my pipes fixed, ‘fridge fixed, or addition put in before some cocktail crowd putz any day of the week!

]]> By: o-fish-l http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25806 o-fish-l Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:43:00 +0000 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/#comment-25806 Kudos Dan. I think behavior, far more than occupation, defines "white trash." In fact I would place President Bill Clinton in the white trash category before any of the plumbers, repairmen, construction workers or bowlers that I know. This from a Republican who thought Clinton was a misbehaved, but pretty decent President. Kudos Dan. I think behavior, far more than occupation, defines “white trash.” In fact I would place President Bill Clinton in the white trash category before any of the plumbers, repairmen, construction workers or bowlers that I know. This from a Republican who thought Clinton was a misbehaved, but pretty decent President.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25805 Anonymous Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:26:00 +0000 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/#comment-25805 A plumber charged out landlords (through us) $140 in labor for an hour with of work. That's an order of magnitude greater than I typically get after four years' of college and a half-decade of experience.<br/><br/>Something tells me Kamp forgot his own roots and his struggles, even. A plumber charged out landlords (through us) $140 in labor for an hour with of work. That’s an order of magnitude greater than I typically get after four years’ of college and a half-decade of experience.

Something tells me Kamp forgot his own roots and his struggles, even.

]]> By: Rick in Duxbury http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25804 Rick in Duxbury Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:02:00 +0000 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/#comment-25804 No danger of him at a diner, Dan. No tofu there! No danger of him at a diner, Dan. No tofu there!

]]> By: neil http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25801 neil Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:17:00 +0000 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/#comment-25801 Nice catch Dan. He put "white trash" in quotes, so possibly this was a phrase Vincent used? Even so, it's an unconvincing attempt to put distance between himself and the term as if to say, so-called (not by me, but by others!) white trash. Wink wink.<br/><br/>Or maybe it's a bowling stereotype. If you're white and you bowl, you're a member of the white trash underclass.<br/><br/>Further down the article is a similar grotesquery. Kamp says conspicuously absent from the book are examples of men leading full contented lives. Which stands to reason, he says, because after all, a "man created out of 'thin air' and stoppelpaste can't very well insinuate himself into an elegant country club or a loving nuclear family."<br/><br/>An elegant country club? So that's where all those men who lead full and contented lives hang out--not at the dang old bowling alley!<br/><br/>What a twat. He'll be at the club sipping Chardonnay with Joseph Epstein, while Gomer unclogs the drains. <br/><br/>Be sure to use the service entrance, Gomer! Nice catch Dan. He put “white trash” in quotes, so possibly this was a phrase Vincent used? Even so, it’s an unconvincing attempt to put distance between himself and the term as if to say, so-called (not by me, but by others!) white trash. Wink wink.

Or maybe it’s a bowling stereotype. If you’re white and you bowl, you’re a member of the white trash underclass.

Further down the article is a similar grotesquery. Kamp says conspicuously absent from the book are examples of men leading full contented lives. Which stands to reason, he says, because after all, a “man created out of ‘thin air’ and stoppelpaste can’t very well insinuate himself into an elegant country club or a loving nuclear family.”

An elegant country club? So that’s where all those men who lead full and contented lives hang out–not at the dang old bowling alley!

What a twat. He’ll be at the club sipping Chardonnay with Joseph Epstein, while Gomer unclogs the drains.

Be sure to use the service entrance, Gomer!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25800 Anonymous Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:48:00 +0000 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/#comment-25800 Well put, Dan. Those of us to your right have been frustrated by this mindset for years by many in the Times, hoping that karma would catch up to them.<br/>Like some right wingers who finally get outed as racists, the conceit that white collar work is more valuable BECAUSE I DO IT bubbles just below the surface. The connection with Vanity Fair is no surprise. Every once in a while there is something of value, (only reason I have that cheap subscription in the first place), but it's tough to wade through the chaff in VF.("People" for those whose lips don't move when they read). Obnoxious hypocrites shopping for vulgar bling-bling watches with rappers at parties in Nantucket or The Hamptons. Under-educated celebrities pontificating on politics and the environment. Talk about "birds of a feather". Ugh. Well put, Dan. Those of us to your right have been frustrated by this mindset for years by many in the Times, hoping that karma would catch up to them.
Like some right wingers who finally get outed as racists, the conceit that white collar work is more valuable BECAUSE I DO IT bubbles just below the surface. The connection with Vanity Fair is no surprise. Every once in a while there is something of value, (only reason I have that cheap subscription in the first place), but it’s tough to wade through the chaff in VF.(“People” for those whose lips don’t move when they read). Obnoxious hypocrites shopping for vulgar bling-bling watches with rappers at parties in Nantucket or The Hamptons. Under-educated celebrities pontificating on politics and the environment. Talk about “birds of a feather”. Ugh.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/comment-page-1/#comment-25799 Anonymous Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:04:00 +0000 http://www.dankennedy.net/2006/01/22/defining-trashiness-down/#comment-25799 Taking a page out of David Brooks' playbook, it seems to me. Taking a page out of David Brooks’ playbook, it seems to me.

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