Comments on: Hoyt’s mixed bag on Kristol

By: Bill Baar

Bill Baar — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:48:00 +0000

HRC faking her tears?

Oh c’mon…that was Kristol’s opinion and as I guy from the land-of-Obama I can promise you there were many progressives and liberals who shared his opinion.

By: zadig

zadig — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:06:00 +0000

I can add even more to the Kristol challenge, if that's what Bill was getting at. And I can do it without any effort on my part, because Media Matters collected a whole bunch of false statements on Bill Kristol's part:

Media Matters

Now before you get all "well, they're a liberal hate site" or whatever else Michael Savage and Bill O'Reilly have said about it lately, I'd just point out that Media Matters' critics have never been able to point out factual errors in their postings. They just whine about MM's "agenda," and "hate," and stuff like that, without disputing the facts of their reporting.

So if you can point to their Kristol research and identify factual errors, go ahead, but otherwise, they paint a pretty damning picture of Kristol as someone who plays fast and loose with what most of us consider "reality."

As for Krugman, I'd be interested to hear about factual errors on his part. You can say his opinions are wrong or slanted, and that's fine, but if you're going to question his facts, I'm going to ask for links.

By: Dan Kennedy

Dan Kennedy — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:40:00 +0000

Bill: Kristol’s claiming without any basis that HRC was faking her tears was certainly “made up.” Even Hume seemed uneasy. Or is your challenge about Krugman?

By: Bill Baar

Bill Baar — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:42:00 +0000

How about some links on the made-up stuff?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:43:00 +0000

Yeah, that’s interesting double speak but here I am. I’m a human being, an American. I think Krugman “makes things up” all the time. I can quote you things he’s said are true or things that would come to pass that are false. You could probably do the same about Kristol. I do know this, he’s on this cruise… http://www.airamericacruise.com/Pages/speakers.htm

Does this make him compromised and not suited to be a columnist at the New York Times? Of course not.

By: zadig

zadig — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:33:00 +0000

It doesn’t matter if an opinion columnist has a slant. It’s safe to assume that they all do. Nobody denies that Krugman tilts to the left.

The problem with Kristol is his well-documented habit of making stuff up and voicing opinions (often inflammatory and irresponsible) based on those incorrect “facts”. Nobody can accuse Krugman of any of that, but Kristol’s habits are well documented on the net.

By: Dan Kennedy

Dan Kennedy — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:46:00 +0000

Anon 3:08: Well, that’s interesting about Krugman. I didn’t know that. I’m not sure that he ought to — although you do have to make a distinction between opinion and partisanship. Air America is certainly liberal, but it’s not an arm of the Democratic Party or of a particular candidate. I don’t believe Krugman donates to political candidates, as Kristol does. (I checked Open Secrets.) But yeah, I’d prefer that he didn’t take the cruise.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:49:00 +0000

we liberals don’t need to dig down into the letters and comments areas for unhinged, spit-flecked right-wing ravings. The blog proprietors themselves are kind enough to povide the sludge.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:46:00 +0000

This was tribal: if he were a con, and not a neocon, he wouldn’t have been hired.

By: Bill Baar

Bill Baar — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:10:00 +0000

....but he is not entitled to his own facts.

Who is in charge of denying here Kristol's expression if he gets the facts tangled?

A bit authoritarian of you here anon, about a guy opining on facts as he sees them, not reporting them.