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		<title>By: mike_b1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike_b1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunque, it&#039;s nice to know that you understand what was actually going through Atta&#039;s head. You may be the only person. Congratulations!

With such mental telepathy, I&#039;m sure you are often the  big winner in the Mohegan Sun poker room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunque, it&#8217;s nice to know that you understand what was actually going through Atta&#8217;s head. You may be the only person. Congratulations!</p>
<p>With such mental telepathy, I&#8217;m sure you are often the  big winner in the Mohegan Sun poker room.</p>
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		<title>By: CAvard</title>
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		<dc:creator>CAvard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Lafcadio. It&#039;s been corrected in my (and Jamail&#039;s) article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lafcadio. It&#8217;s been corrected in my (and Jamail&#8217;s) article</p>
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		<title>By: Lafcadio Mullarkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lafcadio Mullarkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan stress on care givers, yes. Secondary PTSD though is an example of something normal (stress) being too readily pathologized to a disorder.

I agree he wasn&#039;t psychologically healthy to begin with, and a variety of stresses, each of which would be endured by a healthier individual, contributed to this result. 

And ever-malleable religious interpretation contributing as usual by providing a feedback loop of bullshit rationalization for whatever violent thing somebody happens to want to do anyway. As such it&#039;s a symptom of a weak mind I think, rather than a cause of action.

CAvard, ten a month is too high. &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125747341095832795.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ten a year&lt;/a&gt; is more like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan stress on care givers, yes. Secondary PTSD though is an example of something normal (stress) being too readily pathologized to a disorder.</p>
<p>I agree he wasn&#8217;t psychologically healthy to begin with, and a variety of stresses, each of which would be endured by a healthier individual, contributed to this result. </p>
<p>And ever-malleable religious interpretation contributing as usual by providing a feedback loop of bullshit rationalization for whatever violent thing somebody happens to want to do anyway. As such it&#8217;s a symptom of a weak mind I think, rather than a cause of action.</p>
<p>CAvard, ten a month is too high. <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125747341095832795.html" rel="nofollow">Ten a year</a> is more like it.</p>
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		<title>By: CAvard</title>
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		<dc:creator>CAvard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for explaining Lafcadio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for explaining Lafcadio.</p>
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		<title>By: Dunque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dunque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &quot;compounded by&quot; is an equally relevant factor that too many on this board seem hasty to dismiss.

I doubt very much that Mohammed Atta was a psychologically healthy individual but I doubt very much anyone would say that is a more imprtant factor than his nutty and dangerous ideas about religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;compounded by&#8221; is an equally relevant factor that too many on this board seem hasty to dismiss.</p>
<p>I doubt very much that Mohammed Atta was a psychologically healthy individual but I doubt very much anyone would say that is a more imprtant factor than his nutty and dangerous ideas about religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil: The stress that care-givers experience is a well-established phenomenon. Police officers, firefighters, health-care providers, social workers and the like are all vulnerable. Now imagine the stress of being a psychiatrist and knowing that you will soon be in the same position as those you are treating — compounded by some nutty and dangerous ideas about religion.

Did anyone notice the Times story the other day reporting that, when he was a kid, Hasan would chew food and let his pet bird eat it out of his mouth? And that he mourned the bird&#039;s death for months? This was not a psychologically healthy individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil: The stress that care-givers experience is a well-established phenomenon. Police officers, firefighters, health-care providers, social workers and the like are all vulnerable. Now imagine the stress of being a psychiatrist and knowing that you will soon be in the same position as those you are treating — compounded by some nutty and dangerous ideas about religion.</p>
<p>Did anyone notice the Times story the other day reporting that, when he was a kid, Hasan would chew food and let his pet bird eat it out of his mouth? And that he mourned the bird&#8217;s death for months? This was not a psychologically healthy individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Lafcadio Mullarkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lafcadio Mullarkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nowpublic.com/world/major-malik-nidal-hasan-and-ptsd-was-stress-disorder-blame-2510885.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Secondary PTSD&lt;/a&gt;&quot; now applied to people like Hasan who haven&#039;t actually been to the traumatic place, but rather have only been exposed, in the manner of second-hand smoke, to those who have, is another example of terminology dilution. As such it becomes nearly useless so can be added it to the list of terms now so broadly applied that they cease to have meaning: terrorist, jihad, bigot, racist, homophobe...

The urge to reduce the explanation of complex phenomena (what was going on in somebody&#039;s mind) with easy labels seems irresistable--much more compelling than an admission that the real workings of the murderous mind are apt to be a constantly shifting hodgepodge of influences. Even if the perpetrator himself survives, he may not be able to truthfully articulate his own motivations to any satisfactory degree. 

That&#039;s intolerable. We need a a simple one or two-word explanation. Thus arguments about whether he was a terrorist, or was mentally ill, or had &quot;secondary&quot; PTSD. Or, to use a term from the pre-everything is terrorism era, &quot;went postal&quot;. Assigning such labels allows us the comfort of the illusion of understanding such an incomprehensible attack. Once the label is attached, we don&#039;t have to think about it any more, and can move on to the next thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<a href="http://www.nowpublic.com/world/major-malik-nidal-hasan-and-ptsd-was-stress-disorder-blame-2510885.html" rel="nofollow">Secondary PTSD</a>&#8221; now applied to people like Hasan who haven&#8217;t actually been to the traumatic place, but rather have only been exposed, in the manner of second-hand smoke, to those who have, is another example of terminology dilution. As such it becomes nearly useless so can be added it to the list of terms now so broadly applied that they cease to have meaning: terrorist, jihad, bigot, racist, homophobe&#8230;</p>
<p>The urge to reduce the explanation of complex phenomena (what was going on in somebody&#8217;s mind) with easy labels seems irresistable&#8211;much more compelling than an admission that the real workings of the murderous mind are apt to be a constantly shifting hodgepodge of influences. Even if the perpetrator himself survives, he may not be able to truthfully articulate his own motivations to any satisfactory degree. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s intolerable. We need a a simple one or two-word explanation. Thus arguments about whether he was a terrorist, or was mentally ill, or had &#8220;secondary&#8221; PTSD. Or, to use a term from the pre-everything is terrorism era, &#8220;went postal&#8221;. Assigning such labels allows us the comfort of the illusion of understanding such an incomprehensible attack. Once the label is attached, we don&#8217;t have to think about it any more, and can move on to the next thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dunque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dunque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CAvard, where is the &quot;post&quot; in PTSD for Hasan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAvard, where is the &#8220;post&#8221; in PTSD for Hasan?</p>
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		<title>By: Nial Liszt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nial Liszt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/11/us.army.suicides/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CNN story &lt;/a&gt; from 6/11/09 reported that Fort Hood had implemented a program to reduce stress that was so successful that &quot;although the base has recorded two suicides since the start of the year, that is well below many other major Army bases.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/11/us.army.suicides/index.html" rel="nofollow">CNN story </a> from 6/11/09 reported that Fort Hood had implemented a program to reduce stress that was so successful that &#8220;although the base has recorded two suicides since the start of the year, that is well below many other major Army bases.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CAvard</title>
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		<dc:creator>CAvard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Dan, as always. I think what I&#039;d like to know is while military authorities didn&#039;t act quick enough to prevent Hasan from murdering, where was the help that Hasan needed in the first place? He lacked the necessary help the military was supposed to provide him an countless other soldiers from PTSD.  Fort Hood was SORELY lacking in this department. I interviewed Dahr Jamail this week, author of &quot;Courage to Resist&quot; and he told me that Fort Hood, so far, this year, according to the most recent statistics we have, is averaging 10 suicides every month- at that base alone. That&#039;s serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Dan, as always. I think what I&#8217;d like to know is while military authorities didn&#8217;t act quick enough to prevent Hasan from murdering, where was the help that Hasan needed in the first place? He lacked the necessary help the military was supposed to provide him an countless other soldiers from PTSD.  Fort Hood was SORELY lacking in this department. I interviewed Dahr Jamail this week, author of &#8220;Courage to Resist&#8221; and he told me that Fort Hood, so far, this year, according to the most recent statistics we have, is averaging 10 suicides every month- at that base alone. That&#8217;s serious.</p>
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